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		<title>Expected impact of 457(f) regulations on credit union plans</title>
		<link>http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/12/30/expected-impact-of-457f-regulations-on-credit-union-plans/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Patterson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[After years of waiting, we are hearing rumblings that the proposed 457(f) regulations should be issued in 2012, perhaps during the first part of the year. The IRS “anticipates” changing the current 457(f) rules to recognize only cliff vesting and &#8230; <a href="http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/12/30/expected-impact-of-457f-regulations-on-credit-union-plans/">Continue reading&#160;<span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After years of waiting, we are hearing rumblings that the proposed 457(f) regulations should be issued in 2012, perhaps during the first part of the year. The IRS “anticipates” changing the current 457(f) rules to recognize only cliff vesting and disallow elective deferrals. Plans using noncompete restrictions as the sole risks of forfeiture will no longer defer taxes. Fortunately, 457(b) plans would not be affected.</p>
<p>As nonqualified deferral plans for credit unions normally use cliff vesting to qualify for tax deferral under 457(f), and supplemental employer contributions rather than elective deferrals, the new rules should require few if any changes to credit union plans.</p>
<p>The guidance is also expected to address what qualifies as a <em>bona fide </em>severance benefit for purposes of 457(f). Compensation paid under a <em>bona fide</em> severance plan will be taxed as received. Compensation in excess of the <em>bona fide </em>severance limits will be taxed in a lump sum at termination. We expect the <em>bona fide </em> plan limit to be two times the lesser of (i) the executive’s annual compensation, or (ii) the qualified plan compensation limit ($250,000 in 2012).</p>
<p>As with deferred compensation, we expect that few changes will be required to comply with the new rules, and certainly there is no expectation that severance will actually have to be limited to the two-times limit.</p>
<p>As we wait for the proposed 457(f) regulations to be issued, credit union boards and management should consider:</p>
<ol class="c0" start="1">
<li>Does the credit union have any nonqualified deferral plans that use noncompetes or elective deferrals?</li>
<li class="c7 c1">Has the credit union established severance arrangements (contained in employment agreements or in separate arrangements) that exceed the expected <em>bona fide</em> limits?</li>
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<p>If so, you should be prepared to update your plans when the new rules come out. If not, it will still be important to verify that no other changes to your plans are required.</p>
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		<title>The Future of Noncompetes</title>
		<link>http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/12/28/the-future-of-noncompetes/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Sherman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thousands of nonqualified deferred compensation plans use noncompete restrictions as substantial risks of forfeiture (SRFs) to defer taxes under 457(f). If the yet-to-be published 457(f) guidance does as expected and &#8220;disallows&#8221; noncompetes, the restrictions will still have a role to &#8230; <a href="http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/12/28/the-future-of-noncompetes/">Continue reading&#160;<span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thousands of nonqualified deferred compensation plans use noncompete restrictions as substantial risks of forfeiture (SRFs) to defer taxes under 457(f). If the yet-to-be published 457(f) guidance does as expected and &#8220;disallows&#8221; noncompetes, the restrictions will still have a role to play in deferred compensation planning:</p>
<h3>1. Continued Employer Protection.</h3>
<p><strong></strong>It may surprise some, but boards really do value noncompete restrictions. In a nonqualified plan, they protect against unfair competition much more effectively than injunctive noncompetes in employment agreements. Enforcing the noncompete in a deferral plan involves doing nothing—not writing the check. Enforcing injunctive noncompetes often involves lawyers, Latin words and long-lasting litigation. We expect many employers to continue to include noncompete restrictions in their plans, just not rely on them to defer taxes.</p>
<blockquote><p>Example:  The Deferral Plan provides an annual employer contribution of $10,000. Each year&#8217;s contribution vests three years after it is made. Upon vesting, the contribution is taxable and the employer distributes enough to pay the taxes due, but retains the balance. It distributes the balance two years after the executive terminates employment, provided the executive does not compete with the employer during the two-year period.</p></blockquote>
<h3>2. Section 83.</h3>
<p>So far, the IRS comments about the anticipated guidance indicate it will apply only to 457(f) plans, and not to Section 83 plans. Section 83 governs the taxation of property that is transferred to an employee. Like 457(f), Section 83 recognizes bona fide noncompete restrictions as SRFs that defer taxes. Therefore, it appears that noncompete restrictions will continue to defer taxation under Section 83 arrangements even after the IRS publishes the 457(f) guidance.</p>
<blockquote><p>Example:  The employer transfers ownership of a life insurance policy to a key physician. The physician must return the policy to the employer if the physician terminates employment prior to age 62 and competes with the employer. The life insurance is property, so its transfer is governed by Section 83. Therefore, assuming the anticipated guidance is limited to 457(f), the physician will not be taxed on the value of the policy until remaining employed to age 62 or satisfying the noncompete restrictions.</p></blockquote>
<p>If the anticipated guidance concludes noncompete restrictions are not SRFs, we fully expect that well-intentioned advisers will use phrases such as &#8220;Noncompete restrictions in deferral plans are illegal.&#8221;  They will not be illegal. They could not be used to defer taxation in 457(f) arrangements, but they can be used to protect against unfair competition. Depending on the scope of the guidance, they may also continue to defer taxation under Section 83 arrangements, and possibly under some 457(f) arrangements if the IRS decides to grandfather any prior plans.</p>
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		<title>Repeat Lesson from Great-grandfathered 457(f) Plans</title>
		<link>http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/12/20/repeat-lesson-from-great-grandfathered-457f-plans/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Sherman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Individuals who participated in a tax-exempt organization&#8217;s nonqualified deferred compensation plan on August 16, 1986, are not subject to 457(f). Rather, they are taxed on basic constructive receipt principles, the same as participants in plans sponsored by taxable employers. That &#8230; <a href="http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/12/20/repeat-lesson-from-great-grandfathered-457f-plans/">Continue reading&#160;<span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Individuals who participated in a tax-exempt organization&#8217;s nonqualified deferred compensation plan on August 16, 1986, are not subject to 457(f). Rather, they are taxed on basic constructive receipt principles, the same as participants in plans sponsored by taxable employers. That &#8220;great-grandfathered&#8221; status remains so long as the plan&#8217;s &#8220;fixed formula&#8221; is not changed.</p>
<p>Consistent with prior practice, the IRS just published another private letter ruling concluding that a <em>reduction </em>in the benefit formula is not a <em>change </em>in the formula that forfeits great-grandfathering.</p>
<p>Given the limited (and dwindling) number of great-grandfathered plans, the more important impact of the ruling is its confirmation that reducing benefits is generally not treated as a change in benefits. This is important for law and regulatory changes that, like the Tax Reform Act of 1986, are not express about the issue. For example, the 2003 split dollar regulations give nearly no guidance on what constitutes a &#8220;material modification&#8221; that forfeits grandfathering. This new private ruling gives additional analogous support for reducing split dollar benefits without forfeiting grandfathering and subjecting the plan to the new regulations. (Compare 409A, which specifically states that a reduction in benefits is not a material modification that forfeits grandfathering.)</p>
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		<title>§ 457(f) regulations to &#8220;clean-up&#8221; § 409A</title>
		<link>http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/12/08/%c2%a7-457f-regulations-to-clean-up-%c2%a7-409a/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Sherman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A key IRS attorney said last week that the § 457(f) regulations will be used as a vehicle to do some § 409A &#8220;clean-up.&#8221; He also referred to the initial guidance being proposed rules. These comments seem to indicate that &#8230; <a href="http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/12/08/%c2%a7-457f-regulations-to-clean-up-%c2%a7-409a/">Continue reading&#160;<span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A key IRS attorney said last week that the § 457(f) regulations will be used as a vehicle to do some § 409A &#8220;clean-up.&#8221; He also referred to the initial guidance being proposed rules. These comments seem to indicate that the regulations are moving forward, are broader than originally thought, and have a better chance of receiving earlier rather than later attention. The indication that they will come out in proposed form is positive news as it will not only give a chance for comment, but a longer period for easing into the new rules.</p>
<p>From: <a href="http://www.bna.com/irs-official-457f-n12884904590/">bna.com</a></p>
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		<title>Advanced notice of proposed rules gives glimpse of IRS position on federal credit unions&#8217; §§ 457(b) and (f) plans</title>
		<link>http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/11/09/advanced-notice-of-proposed-rules/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Sherman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This week the IRS published draft proposed rules defining governments and government related entities for qualified plan purposes.  76 FR 69172. Resolving a six-year controversy, the draft rules also state that for purposes of non-qualified deferred compensation plans, federal credit unions are tax-exempt non-government &#8230; <a href="http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/11/09/advanced-notice-of-proposed-rules/">Continue reading&#160;<span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week the IRS published draft proposed rules defining governments and government related entities for qualified plan purposes.  <a title="Federal Register" href="http://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2011/11/08/2011-28853/determination-of-governmental-plan-status#p-139">76 FR 69172</a>. Resolving a six-year controversy, the draft rules also state that for purposes of non-qualified deferred compensation plans, federal credit unions are tax-exempt non-government entities, not federal instrumentalities. The result is that federal credit unions can sponsor 457(b) plans and 457(f) plans as any other tax-exempt organization.</p>
<p>If the final regulations look like the proposed rules, few, if any, changes to current plans will be required. 457(b) plans designed to meet the 409A requirements could remove the 409A restrictions (such as annual deferral elections and five-year postponements for changing the time and form of benefit payments). Even now, new plans can be installed with greater confidence in the 457(b)/457(f) approach.</p>
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		<title>IRS announces pension plan limits for 2012</title>
		<link>http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/10/25/irs-announces-pension-plan-limits-for-2012/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Sherman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The IRS bumped the 2012 elective deferral limit for 457(b) plans from $16,500 to $17,000, along with a number of inflation adjustments.  Highlights include: The elective deferral (contribution) limit for employees who participate in 401(k), 403(b), most 457(b) plans, and the &#8230; <a href="http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/10/25/irs-announces-pension-plan-limits-for-2012/">Continue reading&#160;<span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IRS bumped the 2012 elective deferral limit for 457(b) plans from $16,500 to $17,000, along with a number of inflation adjustments.  Highlights include:</p>
<ul>
<li>The elective deferral (contribution) limit for employees who participate in 401(k), 403(b), most <strong>457(b) plans</strong>, and the federal government’s Thrift Savings Plan is increased from <strong>$16,500</strong> to <strong>$17,000</strong>.</li>
<li>The catch-up contribution limit for those aged 50 and over remains unchanged at $5,500.</li>
<li>The limitation on the annual benefit under a defined benefit plan under Section 415(b)(1)(A) is increased from $195,000 to $200,000.</li>
<li>The limitation for defined contribution plans under Section 415(c)(1)(A) is increased from $49,000 to $50,000.</li>
<li>The limitation used in the definition of highly compensated employee under Section 414(q)(1)(B) is increased from $110,000 to $115,000.</li>
<li>The annual compensation limit under Section 401(a)(17) is increased from $245,000 to $250,000.</li>
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<p><a title="Source" href="http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=248482,00.html">Source</a></p>
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		<title>NAFCU Services blog post on compensation best practices</title>
		<link>http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/09/20/nafcu-services-blog-post-on-compensation-best-practices/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Patterson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirstin at NAFCU Services blogged some comments of our recent webcast with Jen Jackson. She seemed to like Jim&#8217;s list of 10 compensation best practices: I love lists, and this one made sense to me in what can sometimes be &#8230; <a href="http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/09/20/nafcu-services-blog-post-on-compensation-best-practices/">Continue reading&#160;<span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.splawfirm.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Jim-webcast.png"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-238" title="Jim (from webcast)" src="http://www.splawfirm.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Jim-webcast-150x150.png" alt="Jim (from webcast)" width="150" height="150" /></a>Kirstin at NAFCU Services blogged some comments of our <a title="Webcast" href="http://nafcu.yorkcast.com/webcast/Viewer/?peid=c07c2ccac43c4a9a9f025c21cf9718641d">recent webcast with Jen Jackson</a>. She seemed to like Jim&#8217;s list of 10 compensation best practices:</p>
<blockquote><p>I love lists, and this one made sense to me in what can sometimes be a mess of fuzzy guidelines.</p></blockquote>
<p>Read the entire post here: <a href="http://blog.nafcuservices.com/2011/09/18/10-best-practices-of-compensation-oversight-by-your-credit-union-board/">http://</a><a href="http://blog.nafcuservices.com/2011/09/18/10-best-practices-of-compensation-oversight-by-your-credit-union-board/">blog.nafcuservices.com/2011/09/18/10-best-practices-of-compensation-oversight-by-your-credit-union-board/</a></p>
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		<title>IRS releases Priority Guidance Plan</title>
		<link>http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/09/14/irs-releases-priority-guidance-plan/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Sherman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week the IRS released its 2011-2012 Priority Guidance Plan, detailing the areas it will focus on in its work year that began July 1. There aren&#8217;t any surprises or new items of significance to key employee compensation.  It is nice &#8230; <a href="http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/09/14/irs-releases-priority-guidance-plan/">Continue reading&#160;<span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Last week the IRS released its 2011-2012 Priority Guidance Plan, detailing the areas it will focus on in its work year that began July 1. There aren&#8217;t any surprises or new items of significance to key employee compensation.  It is nice to see that final regulations on §125 cafeteria plans and §457(f) deferred compensation regulations remain on the list. Maybe five years will be sufficient to finish the §457(f) regulations.</div>
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		<title>IRS Walks Back September Date</title>
		<link>http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/06/16/irs-walks-back-september-date/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Sherman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recent chatter about the new 457(f) regulations being published in September may have been premature.  Cheryl Press, the senior IRS attorney who was quoted as targeting the September date, on June 15 stated that her projection might be &#8220;wishful thinking.&#8221; She noted that &#8230; <a href="http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/06/16/irs-walks-back-september-date/">Continue reading&#160;<span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recent chatter about the new 457(f) regulations being published in September may have been premature.  Cheryl Press, the senior IRS attorney who was quoted as targeting the September date, on June 15 stated that her projection might be &#8220;wishful thinking.&#8221; She noted that healthcare regulations continue to demand a lot of time.</p>
<p>She continued, &#8221;We&#8217;re very slim staffed and our higher-ups are at an even slimmer level.  And once we clear [the proposed regulations] through our building and work through everything, we have to get it through Treasury, and they&#8217;re pretty slimly staffed too.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding the substance of the new regulations, Press reiterated that the regulations will be &#8220;similar&#8221; to the 409A rules (e.g., disallow pre-tax voluntary deferrals and the use of noncompete restrictions to defer taxes), but that the IRS is not &#8220;going to worry about having everything being exactly the same as 409A.&#8221;</p>
<p>For those keeping track, August 2011 will be the fourth anniversary of the original IRS announcement that it would publish the new regulations.  Only time will tell how much longer we must wait.</p>
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		<title>DFVC Procedures for Multiple Top-Hat Plans</title>
		<link>http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/04/29/dfvc-procedures-for-multiple-top-hat-plans/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Patterson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A client recently discovered that they failed to file the Department of Labor (“DOL”) top-hat filings for two separate plans.  As we prepared the remedial filing under the Delinquent Filer Voluntary Compliance (“DFVC”) Program, we received conflicting information from the &#8230; <a href="http://www.splawfirm.net/blog/2011/04/29/dfvc-procedures-for-multiple-top-hat-plans/">Continue reading&#160;<span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A client recently discovered that they failed to file the Department of Labor (“DOL”) top-hat filings for two separate plans.  As we prepared the remedial filing under the Delinquent Filer Voluntary Compliance (“DFVC”) Program, we received conflicting information from the DOL website and staff on the required $750 late filing fee.  If you are faced with this situation, we hope to give you a leg up.</p>
<p>The Payment Data Collection page used to file DFVC materials electronically provides under Statement 2 that “I understand that I am only submitting, and receiving relief for, the filings for the plan and the plan years that are listed above.”  As “plan” is singular, and as we could find no way to list multiple plans, we contacted the DOL.  Our concern was each filing required a separate fee, so if we could not list multiple plans, the client would have to pay multiple fees.  This treatment was the opposite of how we had understood the fee in the past.  Previously, we understood that there was only one $750 fee no matter the number of plans covered.</p>
<p>We talked to two different people at the DOL, in the office that handles DFVC filings, and we were told the fee was $750 per plan.  We told them we had never interpreted the rules that way, nor had we understood the DOL to have interpreted them that way in the past.</p>
<p>After reexamining the regulations, we contacted the DOL to make our case one last time. We explained our dilemma and cited the language in the DFVC Regulations (60 Fed. Reg. 20876 (1995) and 67 Fed. Reg. 15060 (2002)), which expressly provides that there is one penalty amount without regard to the number of plans or number of participants covered under such plans.  This time the DOL agreed that only one fee would be required.  Our contact explained how we should make such filings.</p>
<p>The procedure is to put all of the plan names, separated by slashes, into the &#8220;Plan Name&#8221; box on the online DVFC filing. Then, as in the past, list all plans in need of correction on the hard copy of the top-hat filing with their effective dates and number of participants, and submit it by mail.</p>
<p>Perhaps the DOL does not get many questions on the DFVC Program for top-hat plans, and staff members deal more often with other DFVC filing issues.  In any case, we are glad that we persisted.</p>
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